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==Are incels misogynistic?==
==Are incels misogynistic?==
To clarify this question it is important to note if one is talking about incels as a life circumstance (as this Wiki defines it) or incels as a particular online subculture. Regarding sexually inactive men who do not explicitly identify as incels, a 2023 study (Selmner et al.) asserted that misogyny is driven by 'psychology of status-seeking and dominance-orientation, which correlates with having many, not few, sexual partners'. This study found that men who reported high promiscuous intentions were generally the least misogynistic. It was also found that a mismatch between these promiscuous intentions (desire) and actually attaining sexual success did not predict misogynistic attitudes. The most misogynistic men were those who did not seem to really like or enjoy sex with women but reported being highly sexually active regardless, hinting that they see sexual interactions mainly as a way to display dominance in various forms.
To clarify this question it is important to note if one is talking about incels as a life circumstance (as this Wiki defines it) or incels as a particular online subculture. Regarding sexually inactive men who do not explicitly identify as incels, a 2023 study (Selmner et al.) asserted that misogyny is driven by 'psychology of status-seeking and dominance-orientation, which correlates with having many, not few, sexual partners'. This study found that men who reported high promiscuous intentions were generally the least misogynistic. It was also found that a mismatch between these promiscuous intentions (desire) and actually attaining sexual success did not predict misogynistic attitudes. The most misogynistic men were those who did not seem to really like or enjoy sex with women but reported being highly sexually active regardless, hinting that they see sexual interactions mainly as a way to display dominance in various forms.<ref>https://psyarxiv.com/wsvq8/</ref>


Men with high sexual success but low sexual desire were likely psychopathic, as psychopathy strongly predicted misogynistic attitudes, with a correlation coefficient of ''r'' = 0.712. This finding aligns with prior research showing that [[Dark triad|Dark Triad]] traits are generally linked to misogynistic and pro-rape attitudes,<ref>https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2023-02631-001</ref> likely without adversely affecting these men's mating success.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Dark_triad#Evidence_of_Dark_Triad_men_being_more_sexually_successful</ref> The least misogynistic group comprised men who reported both high desire for and levels of promiscuity. Interestingly, the metric for 'misogynistic attitudes' in this study was derived from a list of Elliot Rodger's observations on women.<ref>https://psyarxiv.com/wsvq8/</ref> Additional evidence indicates that women frequently exaggerate men's levels of hostile sexism, especially in long-term relationships.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/02654075221118546</ref>  This suggests that many women are either indifferent to these misogynist attitudes or, in some cases, actually attracted to them.Regardless, these findings collectively suggest that a man's expressed level of sexism is unlikely to influence his status as involuntarily celibate. These collective findings challenge the notion that 'incel status' leads to 'misogynistic attitudes.' Rather, the evidence suggests that misogyny may be more strongly correlated with deep-rooted personality traits such as psychopathy.
Men with high sexual success but low sexual desire were likely psychopathic, as psychopathy strongly predicted misogynistic attitudes, with a correlation coefficient of ''r'' = 0.712. This finding aligns with prior research showing that [[Dark triad|Dark Triad]] traits are generally linked to misogynistic and pro-rape attitudes,<ref>https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2023-02631-001</ref> likely without adversely affecting these men's mating success.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Dark_triad#Evidence_of_Dark_Triad_men_being_more_sexually_successful</ref> The least misogynistic group comprised men who reported both high desire for and levels of promiscuity. Interestingly, the metric for 'misogynistic attitudes' in this study was derived from a list of Elliot Rodger's observations on women. Additional evidence indicates that women frequently exaggerate men's levels of hostile sexism, especially in long-term relationships.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/02654075221118546</ref>  This suggests that many women are either indifferent to these misogynist attitudes or, in some cases, actually attracted to them. Regardless, these findings collectively suggest that a man's expressed level of sexism is unlikely to influence his status as involuntarily celibate. These collective findings challenge the notion that 'incel status' leads to 'misogynistic attitudes.' Rather, the evidence suggests that misogyny may be more strongly correlated with deep-rooted personality traits such as psychopathy.


In terms of self-identified incels, many do express misogynistic attitudes, either to vent, because they are resentful at being rejected by women, or just to troll. Denigration of women may also be a way to cement bonds between men in all-male environments, which incel forums generally are.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07916035211034355</ref> Furthermore, a large amount of incel forum content seems to be posted by a few extremely active users,<ref>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09546553.2019.1638256 p.5</ref> indicating that this type of discourse may be driven by a minority of users, as has been found in other controversial online forums.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361917469_Comparing_Online_Posting_Typologies_among_Violent_and_Nonviolent_Right-Wing_Extremists</ref>
In terms of self-identified incels, many do express misogynistic attitudes, either to vent, because they are resentful at being rejected by women, or just to troll. Denigration of women may also be a way to cement bonds between men in all-male environments, which incel forums generally are.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07916035211034355</ref> Furthermore, a large amount of incel forum content seems to be posted by a few extremely active users,<ref>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09546553.2019.1638256 p.5</ref> indicating that this type of discourse may be driven by a minority of users, as has been found in other controversial online forums.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361917469_Comparing_Online_Posting_Typologies_among_Violent_and_Nonviolent_Right-Wing_Extremists</ref>

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