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'''Anti-incels''' are people on [[social media]] and other websites who [[bully]] those experiencing [[incel|inceldom]]. | '''Anti-incels''' are people on [[social media]] and other websites who [[bully]] those experiencing [[incel|inceldom]]. Anti-incels love to [[chadsplaining|chadsplain]]. | ||
The largest anti-incel forum is [[/r/inceltears]]. | The largest anti-incel forum is [[/r/inceltears]]. | ||
Anti-incels are known as a variety of other names, including: "social darwinists", "vaginacapitalists", "the [[pussy cartel]]", "[[Wikipedia]]", etc. | Anti-incels are known as a variety of other names, including: "social darwinists", "vaginacapitalists", "the [[pussy cartel]]", "[[Wikipedia]]", etc. | ||
Anti-incels are noted for extremism. | Anti-incels are noted for extremism. For example, an anti-incel named Charels Donnelly has been to court over violent anti-incel writings.<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/us/gun-seizures.html</ref> His weapons were temporarily seized by police and a prosecutor suggested he undergo a psychiatric evaluation to retain his guns. Anti-incels are also known for pussy rioting, [[psychiatry|psychiatric]], [[gynocentric]] doctrines, different [[xenophobia|xenophobic]] beliefs, including [[anti-ricecel sentiment]].<ref>''Ukraine and Russia in Their Historical Encounter'', by Peter J. Potichnyj, University of Alberta, Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies Press, 1992 (pp. 576, 582, 665).</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZVerBzPXQf</ref> | ||
Anti-incels often like to assert that adult virginity is inherently right wing, despite [[IncelSupport]], [[Love-shy dot com|love-shy.com]], [[Incelistan]], and [[Braincels]] being all left-leaning, and the founder of [[Braincels]] being an anarcho-communist. | Anti-incels often like to assert that adult virginity is inherently right wing, despite [[IncelSupport]], [[Love-shy dot com|love-shy.com]], [[Incelistan]], and [[Braincels]] being all left-leaning, and the founder of [[Braincels]] being an anarcho-communist. | ||
Anti-incels also often regard self-identified incel forums as being largely composed of "angry white men" when in truth, incel forums have a high racial diversity.<ref>http://www.organisms.be/downloads/incels.pdf</ref> | Anti-incels also often regard self-identified incel forums as being largely composed of "angry white men" when in truth, incel forums have a high racial diversity.<ref>http://www.organisms.be/downloads/incels.pdf</ref> | ||
==Gender composition== | ==Gender composition== | ||
Male anti-incels sneakily and desperately [[white knight|whiteknight]] for [[femoid|women]] on Facebook and other platforms. One could also see male anti-incels as engaging in a | Male anti-incels sneakily and desperately [[white knight|whiteknight]] for [[femoid|women]] on Facebook and other platforms. One could also see male anti-incels as engaging in a form of dishonest signaling, e.g. many are themselves incel, but they lash out at self-identified incels in order to avoid being labelled as such. | ||
Female anti-incels, on the other hand, appear to be engaging in a sophisticated form of [[virgin shaming]]. Gossiping about male "creeps" and unwanted sexual approaches is likely innate to female nature. Female anti-incels are just trying to justify their promiscuity and desire not to long-term pair-bond with men who are close to them or lower in the [[dominance hierarchy|social hierarchy]]. | |||
==Broadbrushing and punching down== | ==Broadbrushing and punching down== | ||
Anti-incels of any sex like to [[broadbrushing|broadbrush]] average sexually frustrated men and anti-feminists with extremists. | Anti-incels of any sex like to [[broadbrushing|broadbrush]] average sexually frustrated men and anti-feminists with extremists. For example, by insisting that incel only means violent people, but then using the word to disparage anyone who thinks their celibacy lies primarily outside themselves. | ||
Of course, incels often broad-brush as well, e.g. they stereotype large groups of people as [[Chad|Chads]] and [[foid|foids]]. But the crucial difference is that incels ''punch up'', whereas anti-incels ''punch down''. Most incels occupy lower status than most women in gynocentric Western societies. | Of course, incels often broad-brush as well, e.g. they stereotype large groups of people as [[Chad|Chads]] and [[foid|foids]]. But the crucial difference is that incels ''punch up'', whereas anti-incels ''punch down''. Most incels occupy lower status than most women in gynocentric Western societies. | ||
The perception that men would dominate all women is an [[apex fallacy]]. In truth, men and women have on average roughly the same power, but men's power is more dispersed such that men are overrepresented near the top and bottom. | The perception that men would dominate all women is an [[apex fallacy]]. In truth, men and women have on average roughly the same power, but men's power is more dispersed such that men are overrepresented near the top and bottom. | ||
Average incel memes are not even actual ''punching'', but rather comparable to political satire, mostly targeted at [[double standard|double standards]] in dating, the lie of the [["It's the patriarchy"|patriarchy]], as well as [[female solipsism]] and feminist [[roastie|promiscuity positivity]]. | Average incel memes are not even actual ''punching'', but rather comparable to political satire, mostly targeted at [[double standard|double standards]] in dating, the lie of the [["It's the patriarchy"|patriarchy]], as well as [[female solipsism]] and feminist [[roastie|promiscuity positivity]]. | ||
== Anti-incels have sadistic personality disorder == | == Anti-incels have sadistic personality disorder == | ||
[[File:Screenshot 2019-10-17 11-53-41.png|300px|thumb|Subreddits that have the largest overlap in users with the anti-incel board IncelTears. Anti-incels are sadists, not altruists]] | [[File:Screenshot 2019-10-17 11-53-41.png|300px|thumb|Subreddits that have the largest overlap in users with the anti-incel board IncelTears. Anti-incels are sadists, not altruists]] | ||
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[https://old.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen menwritingwomen]. | [https://old.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen menwritingwomen]. | ||
One can conclude that anti-incels are very sadistic and derive pleasure from bullying.<ref>https://anvaka.github.io/sayit/?query=inceltears</ref><ref>https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/inceltears</ref> | One can conclude that anti-incels are very sadistic and derive pleasure from bullying.<ref>https://anvaka.github.io/sayit/?query=inceltears</ref><ref>https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/inceltears</ref> | ||
==Fueling sexism on incel forums== | ==Fueling sexism on incel forums== | ||
The presence of [[inceltears]] and similar websites has increased amount of trolling activity and misogynistic content all over the [[incelosphere]]. This is due to [[anti-incel]]s providing a megaphone for the most extreme self-described [[incel]]s, energising them to create more content. | |||
The presence of [[inceltears]] and similar websites has increased amount of trolling activity and misogynistic content all over the [[incelosphere]]. | |||
Inceltears users also create [[sockpuppet|sockpuppets]] to post stuff gross shit on incel subreddits so that they can go back and re-post their fake crap on inceltears as genuine. | Inceltears users also create [[sockpuppet|sockpuppets]] to post stuff gross shit on incel subreddits so that they can go back and re-post their fake crap on inceltears as genuine. | ||
==Banning attempts== | ==Banning attempts== | ||
Anti-incel boards like [[Inceltears]] frequently tries to get incel forums shut down. They played a role in getting r/incels shut down, leaving it's members to create and move to [[incels.co]]. [[sarcasm|Surely, moving people to sites with no supervision will solve bigotry.]] | |||
Inceltears found itself playing whack-a-mole, as incels re-emerged on the internet stronger than they were before, creating extremely active separate forums on external websites. Banning r/incels also re-affirmed their belief about being persecuted, energizing them to create more content. | |||
Inceltears found itself playing whack-a-mole, as incels re-emerged on the internet stronger than they were before, creating extremely active separate forums on external websites. | |||
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==Death threats against incels== | |||
==Death | {{See also|[[Normie#Telling incels to rope]]}} | ||
Anti-incels are known for threatening death upon all [[nearcel]]s, [[truecel]]s and incels in their private Facebook forums and in public, often with their full names. | Anti-incels are known for threatening death upon all [[nearcel]]s, [[truecel]]s and incels in their private Facebook forums and in public, often with their full names. Something many people in the [[incelosphere]] have been screencapping without making entire subreddits devoted to the screens like inceltears does with their screens of misogyny. | ||
All the following images are screens from the anti-incel Facebook group: '''"Found the Incel"''' (banned from Facebook for harassment/violent-speech), the anti-incel Facebook group: '''"How do incels even survive"''' (banned from Facebook for terroristic threats), and the (still existing) Facebook group: '''"Incels say the darndest things"''', now private and called, '''"ISTDT"''' after the first two groups got banned. | All the following images are screens from the anti-incel Facebook group: '''"Found the Incel"''' (banned from Facebook for harassment/violent-speech), the anti-incel Facebook group: '''"How do incels even survive"''' (banned from Facebook for terroristic threats), and the (still existing) Facebook group: '''"Incels say the darndest things"''', now private and called, '''"ISTDT"''' after the first two groups got banned. | ||
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==Logical fallacies== | |||
==Logical | {{See also|[[Normie#Common normie tropes]]}} | ||
Anti-incels are well-known for trying to deny or downplay involuntary celibacy through any number of logical fallacies. | Anti-incels are well-known for trying to deny or downplay involuntary celibacy through any number of logical fallacies. They are fallacies within the context of respective arguments criticizing incels. | ||
*"You know people in Africa are starving!" (red herring), | |||
*"You know people in Africa are starving!" | |||
*"If you had really tried you would have been successful!" (affirming the consequent), | *"If you had really tried you would have been successful!" (affirming the consequent), | ||
*"Well everyone else is getting dates so it's just your own fault!" (sweeping generalization) (no true scotsman) | *"Well everyone else is getting dates so it's just your own fault!" (sweeping generalization) (no true scotsman) | ||
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*"People have been having sex since the dawn of time, including your parents, so the fault isn't your ugliness." (survivorship bias) | *"People have been having sex since the dawn of time, including your parents, so the fault isn't your ugliness." (survivorship bias) | ||
*"Your [[toxic masculinity]] is preventing you from getting laid." (proof surrogate) | *"Your [[toxic masculinity]] is preventing you from getting laid." (proof surrogate) | ||
==Anti-incels get a taste of their own medicine: deplatforming== | ==Anti-incels get a taste of their own medicine: deplatforming== | ||
In 2019, the largest [[anti-incel]] group: Found the Incel, was banned from the internet by [[Facebook]] for violent speech after an outing of sample posts on Youtube by [[William]] and courageous flagging by [[Master]] and others.<ref>http://archive.is/1tvT4</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yz6LQEKboI</ref><ref>https://incels.is/threads/one-of-facebooks-largest-anti-incel-hate-groups-gets-banned-from-the-internet.101712/</ref><ref>https://forum.incelistan.net/t/largest-ultra-violent-feminist-group-gets-banned-from-the-internet/157</ref><ref>https://incels.is/threads/one-of-facebooks-largest-anti-incel-hate-groups-gets-banned-from-the-internet.101712/</ref> | In 2019, the largest [[anti-incel]] group: Found the Incel, was banned from the internet by [[Facebook]] for violent speech after an outing of sample posts on Youtube by [[William]] and courageous flagging by [[Master]] and others.<ref>[https://archive.fo/1tvT4 http://archive.is/1tvT4]</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yz6LQEKboI</ref><ref>https://incels.is/threads/one-of-facebooks-largest-anti-incel-hate-groups-gets-banned-from-the-internet.101712/</ref><ref>https://forum.incelistan.net/t/largest-ultra-violent-feminist-group-gets-banned-from-the-internet/157</ref><ref>https://incels.is/threads/one-of-facebooks-largest-anti-incel-hate-groups-gets-banned-from-the-internet.101712/</ref> Later, one more anti-incel group were banned. The group called, "How do incels Even Survive", was banned by Facebook for terrorism (not joking). | ||
==Notable anti-incels== | ==Notable anti-incels== | ||
*[[Jorm]] | *[[Jorm]] | ||
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*[[Vladimir Putin]] | *[[Vladimir Putin]] | ||
*[[Saddam Hussein]] | *[[Saddam Hussein]] | ||
==References== | ==References== | ||
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==See also== | ==See also== | ||
*[[Inceltears]] | *[[Inceltears]] |