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Many in the [[manosphere]] mistook the blog article as solid evidence of [[hypergamy]] and the [[80/20 rule]]. However, it is not as straight forward: The blog article further mentions that "two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women. So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming, even cute, girls go unwritten." Further, "women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead […], which is a healthier pattern than guys’". They did however not quantify this differences. Another study based on an unspecified online dating website by Bruch & Newman (2018) also found that in terms of messaging patterns both men and women aim up, but they didn't find men aiming substantially higher (26% vs 23% higher respectively). They also found that only few aim excessively high which is in agreement with observations made K. Grammer: "If she is too attractive he might consider his chances low and accordingly refrain from courting in order to save face." (see Eibl-Eibesfeldt 2017, ch. 4.5, p. 239). | Many in the [[manosphere]] mistook the blog article as solid evidence of [[hypergamy]] and the [[80/20 rule]]. However, it is not as straight forward: The blog article further mentions that "two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women. So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming, even cute, girls go unwritten." Further, "women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead […], which is a healthier pattern than guys’". They did however not quantify this differences. Another study based on an unspecified online dating website by Bruch & Newman (2018) also found that in terms of messaging patterns both men and women aim up, but they didn't find men aiming substantially higher (26% vs 23% higher respectively). They also found that only few aim excessively high which is in agreement with observations made K. Grammer: "If she is too attractive he might consider his chances low and accordingly refrain from courting in order to save face." (see Eibl-Eibesfeldt 2017, ch. 4.5, p. 239). | ||
Sex differences in attractiveness ratings of similar magnitude (around d = 1.0) have been also found in other contexts but online dating, e.g. students rating photos of celebrities (Marshall & Wasserman, 1997), students rating one another in person (Birnbaum, 2014; Benedixen, 2019) and students rating photos from an online dating website (Wood, 2009). The effect may be partly explained by women putting more effort in their appearance, but women are also evaluated more favorably regarding all sorts of traits besides physical appearance by both men and women, an effect known as the ''"women are wonderful effect"'' (Eagly, 1991). Furthermore, Rudder conducted an experiment in which he let male users rate one another and the distribution of ratings did not show the skew towards the bottom end one can observe in ratings by women (see the interview linked above). This suggests men who use online dating are not objectively worse looking. Women's tendency to rate men as less attractive may stem from women's greater [[Bateman's principle|parental investment]], which caused them to be more risk-averse and look more for flaws in a potential partner. Having more dating options to choose from, | Sex differences in attractiveness ratings of similar magnitude (around d = 1.0) have been also found in other contexts but online dating, e.g. students rating photos of celebrities (Marshall & Wasserman, 1997), students rating one another in person (Birnbaum, 2014; Benedixen, 2019) and students rating photos from an online dating website (Wood, 2009). The effect may be partly explained by women putting more effort in their appearance, but women are also evaluated more favorably regarding all sorts of traits besides physical appearance by both men and women, an effect known as the ''"women are wonderful effect"'' (Eagly, 1991). Furthermore, Rudder conducted an experiment in which he let male users rate one another and the distribution of ratings did not show the skew towards the bottom end one can observe in ratings by women (see the interview linked above). This suggests men who use online dating are not objectively worse looking. Women's tendency to rate men as less attractive may stem from women's greater [[Bateman's principle|parental investment]], which caused them to be more risk-averse and look more for flaws in a potential partner. | ||
The reluctance may also be born from a subconscious fear that complementing a male could be perceived as sexual interest, hence making themselves accountable for the initiation, rendering it harder to easily discard the male when he turns out to be incapable of providing. Women generally [[https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#93.25_of_women_preferred_being_asked_out_on_a_date_rather_than_doing_the_asking|despise initiating relationships]] for this reason. | |||
Having more dating options to choose from, women can also afford to be choosy. | |||
One important fact that was omitted from OkCupid's blog article is that ''men receive substantially fewer messages'', which was also replicated by Bruch & Newman (2018). Rudder found that women receive 7-8 times as many messages per week as men even though the sex ratio of active users is roughly equal. In the second graph below one can see that this roughly holds true across all percentiles of looks. An analysis of the slopes suggests that both men and women care roughly to the same extent about looks (in line with [[Blackpill#Women_are_just_as_.27visual.27_as_men|other findings]]), but women are overall much more passive in their dating behavior. | One important fact that was omitted from OkCupid's blog article is that ''men receive substantially fewer messages'', which was also replicated by Bruch & Newman (2018). Rudder found that women receive 7-8 times as many messages per week as men even though the sex ratio of active users is roughly equal. In the second graph below one can see that this roughly holds true across all percentiles of looks. An analysis of the slopes suggests that both men and women care roughly to the same extent about looks (in line with [[Blackpill#Women_are_just_as_.27visual.27_as_men|other findings]]), but women are overall much more passive in their dating behavior. | ||