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* https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513809000580
* https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513809000580


===<span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine, Georgia, Times, serif'; font-size:24px; font-weight: normal;">The most attractive BMI for men is 24.5 and for women 17-20 as it is most youthful</span>===
===<span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine, Georgia, Times, serif'; font-size:24px; font-weight: normal;">The most attractive BMI for men is ~24.5-27 and for women ~17-19 as it is most youthful</span>===
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Caveats for this data would be that they were unable to get clear data on outcomes for men BMI <18, likely due to low sample of men at this low a weight, range of variation for outcomes in men became quite large above BMI 32-34 (likely because this range would include both bodybuilders and severely obese men, which would create different outcomes), and although this data was part of their original analysis, they chose not to include it in their final publication.
In the 2006 version of Hitsch et al.'s MIT Research Paper "What Makes You Click", probabilities of receiving first contacts were assessed for a large dating site over a 3.5 month period in 2003 (n=22,000) based on male and female BMI. It was found that men greatly preferred women of BMI around 17, which researchers noted corresponds roughly to a supermodel's thinness. By contrast, women on average contacted men with a BMI of 27 most often, which would correspond to a very muscular or mildly overweight man, depending on his physical conditioning.


Other studies have shown similar outcomes, with one study showing the ideal range for female BMI was 17-20 as this was deemed the "most youthful". Another study for men using computer generated pictures of men with approximated BMIs estimated an ideal BMI for men of 24.5. However, given that this study did not use real men but rather a computer simulation, it seems likely the real life dating data described herein provides a better estimation of the ideal.
Caveats for this data would be that they were unable to get clear data on outcomes for men BMI <18 likely due to low sample of men at this low a weight, range of variation for outcomes in men became quite large above BMI 32-34 (perhaps because this range would include both aggressive bodybuilders and severely obese men), and although this data was part of their original 2006 analysis, they chose not to include it in their final publication later in 2010.
 
Other studies have shown similar outcomes. One study assessing the most attractive female BMI involved showing people 21 pictures of women of varying mass, and asking them to order them in attractiveness. Both men and women rated these women's pictures the same way, and both genders suggested the very thinnest women provided at a BMI of 19 were most attractive. Raters suggested they felt the thinnest pictures were also the most youthful looking. Further modeling from this data to incorporate age biases suggested the ideal female BMI would be therefore somewhere between 17-20, as it would correspond to the average BMI of a young 18-20 year old with maximal fertility and minimal risk of future disease.
 
Another study to assess ideal BMI for each gender used computer generated pictures of men and women, rated in attractiveness by both men and women. The ideal BMI for men was suggested by men to be 25.9 and by women to be 24.5. The ideal BMI for women was suggested by both men and women to be exactly the same at 18.8.
 
Thus these studies suggest slightly different ideal BMIs for each gender but with a consistent range of approximately 17-19 for women and 24.5-27 for men.


<span style="font-size:125%>'''Figures:'''</span>
<span style="font-size:125%>'''Figures:'''</span>
[[File:First contacts by BMI.PNG|500px|thumb|none|First contact average outcomes based on BMI standardized relative to a BMI of 22-24 for each gender]]
[[File:First contacts by BMI.PNG|500px|thumb|none|First contact average outcomes based on BMI standardized relative to a BMI of 22-24 for each gender]]
<span style="font-size:125%>'''Quotes:'''</span>
* The optimal BMI for men is about 27.
* For women, on the other hand, the optimal BMI is about 17, which is considered under-weight and corresponds to the figure of a supermodel. A woman with such a BMI receives 90% more first-contact e-mails than a woman with a BMI of 25.


<span style="font-size:125%>'''References:'''</span>
<span style="font-size:125%>'''References:'''</span>
* https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/8a39nb/bmi_preferences_in_online_dating_hitsch_horta%C3%A7su/
* https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=895442
* https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3213417/Why-men-thinner-women-attractive-Scientists-say-evolutionary-fitness-makes-slimmer-females-appealing.html
* https://www.today.com/health/ideal-real-what-perfect-body-really-looks-men-women-t83731
* https://www.today.com/health/ideal-real-what-perfect-body-really-looks-men-women-t83731
* https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3213417/Why-men-thinner-women-attractive-Scientists-say-evolutionary-fitness-makes-slimmer-females-appealing.html


===<span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine, Georgia, Times, serif'; font-size:24px; font-weight: normal;">Men prefer low waist-hip ratios in women as they signal youth</span>===
===<span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine, Georgia, Times, serif'; font-size:24px; font-weight: normal;">Men prefer low waist-hip ratios in women as they signal youth</span>===

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